The fall during the straight line sequence is my favorite. Yup, Patrick, well-executed and beautifully performed. Hope you're embarrassed.
you know , the judges should be suspended. If you made an example out of these people for these errors, then they really would stop. They know the games they are playing
Well, Mao Asada got the second highest PCS at NHK Trophy too, despite her most disasterous performance ever. I agree with the anonymous above. These judges should be suspended. They are contributing to the total corruption of the sport.
He makes a good Flatt.
the score this performance got was a joke. why do these things always happen when Chan takes the ice???
I think skating in Canada these days has become similar to the difficulties non-Russian skaters used to face skating in Russia. The partisan crowds, the biased judging, the placement and protection of all home skaters...If Patrick had been a non-Canadian, you wouldn't be able to hear yourself think with all the outrage Skate Canada and the Canadian news outlets would have poured all over the airwaves.
I'm Canadian and a fan of Patrick Chan, and it makes me cringe every time he's so insanely overmarked. The judges are not doing him, the sport, or themselves any favours. It's embarrassing. Re: "partisan crowds," doesn't every country support its skaters the loudest at its own GP event? It's not as if we're booing the other competitors. We are nothing if not polite, thank you very much. (See?)
Yeah, but no other GP event pushes for such sky-high PCS for its skaters.
He just fell again and had ugly jumps overall and STILL won over a near-perfect Rippon and a solid Oda! With a personal best under this new system! What a joke...
And Chan wins gold - this may beat Pleshenko winning the OLY silver medal for pure outrageousness.Oda should go back to the Chaplin stuff - he's kind of a stiff doing anything else.
Okay, I just watched the men's free skate and boy is Skate Canada really pissing me off. There is no way that Patrick's program deserved a 166, it's ludicrous. And I don't know about you, Michael Weiss, but I wouldn't consider a fall on a triple axel a "minor problem." Thank goodness for Terry Gannon pointing out with skepticism how Patrick earned ten points higher than Dice-K did last weekend.
Protocols are up- http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpcan2010/index.htmI'm sorry, but how does Nobunari Oda get less GOE on jumps than Patrick Chan...ever?!
What a complete joke. Apparently Chan can fall 4 times and win gold when his competitors are much cleaner. GMAFB. Would any other skater have gotten GOE as high as he did for the scratchy jumps in the LP? A -1 for footwork with a very disruptive fall. Skate Canada is a joke.
I'm just speechless. And sad.
Actually, the really interesting thing is that the Canadian judge gave Chan relatively low GOE and PCS scores. It's certainly possible that there's wheeling and dealing going on, but there are two other things going on that definitely contributed to his win.Firstly, a quad toe is worth five points more than a triple flip for base value now, twice as much of an interval as it was last year. This means that just for trying a quad, a skater can get more points than a +1 Triple Flip, even with a splat. Secondly, the impact of GOEs on most jump elements have been reduced to 70% or less of their prior values. Only on the triple axel and above are good GOEs on jumps worth more. GOE values on spins and called steps haven't changed. But the uncalled sequence in each free program is now worth up to three additional points in GOE. Patrick received +3s from every judge for his ChSt.I think his scores are awfully high, but one can't blame everything on the judging. The Scale of Values this year is skewed in certain directions, and he's taking full advantage of it.
Holy Moscow, Kevin Debbie Reynolds landed two more quads! Popped both his Triple Axels though, wtf? Adam Rippon should do a Triple Lutz-Triple Toe Loop combo with both arms over his head on each jump or a Boitano variation Triple-Triple combo. Love Adam's spins. Nobunari Oda should skate less to classical music and interpret more aggressive accompaniment. Oda's like the Far East Asian version of Brian Joubert. Oda skating to Electro-Hop or New Techno would be exotic to the international judges. His axel was a tad off. That's the first Quad Patrick Chan has ever landed in competition, if memory serves. If skaters are going to skate to musicals, I would rather they choose Sondheim instead of the proverbial Les Mis or Phantom.Kristoffer Berntsson's free was my fave.
"Actually, the really interesting thing is that the Canadian judge gave Chan relatively low GOE and PCS scores."The judging is anonymous, what are you talking about. Unless you are the operator of the event or the person within ISU who looks at the judges' scores to make sure they are "within the corridor".
Anonymous 10/30, 6:54 is mostly correct. Judges' scores for Senior Grand Prix are listed in a random order on the protocols. I withdraw my comment about the Canadian judge, but the other points still definitely apply.
Even Patrick looked a tad bit confused about his score there. See all the head scratching? Yeah.
I should have signed my comment, The Motorcycle Crash.Of your other points, I don't agree with Rippon attempting a 3-3 with both arms over the head. He doesn't have much flow out of his "Rippon Lutz" as it his, how do you expect him to be able to put a "Rippon Triple Toeloop" on the end of it? His 3-3 without any arm variations is already very small.
What happened to Grand Prix events? NHK Trophy in Japan, for example, was so disappointing. Judges awarded the second highest PCS to Mao Asada who delivered the most horrendous overall performance since her senior devut (8th place both in the short and free). Is that the law of conservation of Mao's PCS? So shameful. And then Skate Canada... There should be an independent brance of FBI or something who watches out for wrongdoing of some figure skating judges. They so brazenly manipulate the scores to serve those skaters who serve them. They will never be able to get their acts together as long as they are systematically protected by anonymity. There should be an independent authority (which does not include ISU or those with vested interests) who supervises all judging records and history.
Uh, Mao probably received the 2nd highest PCS because 1) she has better skating quality than a lot of the field and 2) if they gave her lower scores, she could have fallen to last place. Do you think she was the worst one in that field? I don't.
Yeah, I think Mao's PCS reflect the relative weakness of the ladies field at NHK. Given a more competitive group, her PCS would not have ranked so high.
Mao'pcs in nhk trophy is nonsense.
mao failed all her jumps except one... and she got the second highest PCS in ladies competition.that's ridiculous..it's very unfair..We need to consider other players in competition.
Mao's PCS was actually lowered several points (rightfully so) at NHK, and wasn't high enough to make up for any TES that she lacked like P-Chan's. She got the second highest PCS because...she deserved the 2nd highest PCS. Do you think Rachael Flatt should have gotten higher PCS?! Then I question your vision
mao's TES is 11th at NHK..her PCS was not actually lowered.
Yeah, this kind of scoring will REALLY attract new fans to the sport.....No wonder Cinquanta's wanting to add 'teams' to make it 'spicy'....to distract from the current state of travesty in judging.
Anonymous October 31, 2010 9:22 AM,Uh, I guess this mao-hater doesn't have any vision. It just came to diss her on pretense of judge bashing.So don't let it bother you. We should get back to discuss chan and his PCS.
MAO'S PCS IS TOO MUCH.WOW SECOND HIGHEST AT NHKHER TES IS 11TH AT COMPETITION.THAT'S FACTTHAT'S NOT OPINION OR EMOTION.
that's very unfair, to other hard working competitors...why don't you want to see the FACT?TOO MUCH PCS FOR MAO..THAT'S THE BIG PROBLEM
wow imagine the comments on this post if PChan was Korean
Honestly, Mao didn't win anything. Why are we debating Mao? Chan's PCS held him up to a decisive victory. Look at the scores for the long program... Chan scored TEN POINTS higher on program components than Adam Rippon, who scored one point higher than Oda. That makes... almost no sense to me.
I will never understand why a fall on a 4T is worth more than a 3Lz with both hands over head. It's insulting to the athletes.
Like AJ said on his formspring, that's what the new rule does. People are "punished" less for attempting the quad. You know, "pushing the sport forward". I agree with you, it is insulting to the athletes.
Chan's fall on that 4T in his SP has brought him 6.30Adam's 3 Lz was worth 6.20A normal panel would reward Rippon accordingly. Adam is what, almost 21 now? He better start landing his quad in competitions and "push the sport forward", because he starts to resemble JWe, in that regard.
I think Chan absolutely deserved to win the long program... His quad was gorgeous and his PCS are far superior to Oda and better than Rippon. I was just a little surprised he won the free skate enough to pull him up to first.
In the free, PChan's 10 point adv in PCS over Rippon and Oda is just as legit as Czisny's 10 point adv in PCS over Makarova.I think PChan's PCS is fine. It's just that Rippon was undermarked. Oda is a wonderful basic skater but everything about the program and interpretation leaves a lot to be desired.
Buttle skated to this music better. As if that's a shock...
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