tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post5866469993290548303..comments2024-03-27T00:19:55.641-07:00Comments on Aunt Joyce's Ice Cream Stand: An Ode To The JudgesOlympicEffecthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11708554152461551887noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-43103822615151545042011-01-23T16:46:24.094-08:002011-01-23T16:46:24.094-08:00I'd like to add to my previous comment:
Stanf...I'd like to add to my previous comment:<br /><br />Stanford's low scores on vault were fair--bent arms coming onto the table and bad landings.<br /><br />Both teams were overscored on floor. Any time Pechanec scores a 9.850 with that ugly triple full, you know that the scores are inflated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-62349186984265599702011-01-23T16:24:12.210-08:002011-01-23T16:24:12.210-08:00I just got done watching the UCLA vs. Stanford mee...I just got done watching the UCLA vs. Stanford meet. There was some... interesting... communication between Miss Val and one of the judges. The Chellsie Memmel lookalike beam judge flashed Miss Val a look when one of her gymnasts fell. Then, during a Stanford floor routine, Val moseyed on up to the beam and chatted with the the Memmel doppelganger. This happened before the meet officially ended.<br /><br />Side note: Sam was the only gymnast who was visibly upset when the third girl fell on beam. I have a feeling that the girls will pay on Monday.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-51362246526425691382011-01-19T07:52:32.073-08:002011-01-19T07:52:32.073-08:00Judges from every country do that, but sometimes y...Judges from every country do that, but sometimes you'd be surprised. The best countries know how to politick without even using their own judge at times.OlympicEffecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11708554152461551887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-56331976939442034972011-01-19T00:16:22.535-08:002011-01-19T00:16:22.535-08:00Haha, no, I have no probably with Inman pointing o...Haha, no, I have no probably with Inman pointing out a legit criticism of someone's skating. I do have a problem with an American judge who throws out high marks to people just for being American. Stop already. When I know which judge is the American by looking at the protocols (just like I know which judge is Canadian while judging Chan), that judge isn't doing their job right and honestly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-23704745415253963082011-01-18T19:26:25.381-08:002011-01-18T19:26:25.381-08:00I love how US Skating judges are suddenly the only...I love how US Skating judges are suddenly the only ones accused of bias since the Joe Inman article about marking Plushenko and Joubert's PCS fairly.OlympicEffecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11708554152461551887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-17418697550192150402011-01-18T17:27:21.033-08:002011-01-18T17:27:21.033-08:00I have to say that I thought the Georgia scores we...I have to say that I thought the Georgia scores were right on really. Every routine could be a half a tenth or so either way. I think that a lot of it depends on the angle of the camera.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-52403795043081918912011-01-18T16:00:47.011-08:002011-01-18T16:00:47.011-08:00I don't have as much of a problem with skating...I don't have as much of a problem with skating judging as I do with NCAA gym, but I HATE HATE HATE that skating judges travel with their own country's delegation to competitions and are buddy buddy with their own nation's competitors. And I wouldn't mind it, but when you blatantly overscore your own country's skaters and everyone else's GOE marks are reasonable except yours, I don't trust you to leave your biases at home! US Judge, you know who you are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-80356290923326514862011-01-18T15:03:55.734-08:002011-01-18T15:03:55.734-08:00I think that Joan Gnat is one of the most fair jud...I think that Joan Gnat is one of the most fair judges out there. Nice to see that you agree!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-7238286843225192762011-01-18T14:48:35.660-08:002011-01-18T14:48:35.660-08:00Very interesting post! Thanks for bringing this t...Very interesting post! Thanks for bringing this to light. It's hard to fathom the dedication athletes must have to put themselves into sports where there may not be an objective outcome. <br /><br />Remembering back to some of your judging-related posts during the winter olympics - is it possible to view who judges are and their individual scoring for figure skating too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-43090907915168345772011-01-18T14:05:16.627-08:002011-01-18T14:05:16.627-08:00It is difficult to judge if it is fair when the op...It is difficult to judge if it is fair when the opponent is West Virginia, a team UGA is supposed to crush. The score certainly helps their ranking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-5141729664361980532011-01-18T13:59:08.191-08:002011-01-18T13:59:08.191-08:00Another thing to look at when judging the judges: ...Another thing to look at when judging the judges: If scores seems inflated on one event, check to see if perhaps they are inflated for all teams. If the judge seems to be giving higher scores relative to the team's regular scores for all teams (taking into account the actual performance, of course), then they are not biased and the meet outcome is fair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-76810670591899495692011-01-18T13:54:17.523-08:002011-01-18T13:54:17.523-08:00Interesting post. It almost seems impossible for t...Interesting post. It almost seems impossible for there not to be conflicts of interest with these judges. The UGA scores were definitely inflated but not crazy. However for bars, I probably would've gone 9.8 at the highest for Worley and Tanella, and 9.85 for McComb (unbelievable that one judge gave her a 9.95). <br /><br />I wonder if Jeana Rice's mother is allowed to judge Bama meets. Of course, if she prefers dancers, Bama isn't exactly known for choreography, so maybe there isn't any favoritism there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-36024699431367983502011-01-18T13:41:05.165-08:002011-01-18T13:41:05.165-08:00I was just pointing out perceptions of judges and ...I was just pointing out perceptions of judges and then having us look at meets to see whether or not in backs up that perception. It is very curious that Georgia's high score on bars came from two judges who are ''friendly to the program.''OlympicEffecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11708554152461551887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-15194980746749654802011-01-18T13:28:21.195-08:002011-01-18T13:28:21.195-08:00The world of gymnastics is a small world. Is it e...The world of gymnastics is a small world. Is it even realistic to expect judges and coaches never to be acquainted? <br /><br />As for judging the judges, I hesitate to look at a judge's scores and call them bad without hearing the judge's reasoning. Only when you know what deductions actually were and were not taken can you fairly decide whether or not a score was warranted unless the score is at least a couple of tenths out of line. It could be a judge is consistently calling a specific error that is often overlooked in NCAA, and one team tends towards making that error. Please, don't ridicule judges on this site without overwhelming evidence. Most judges work hard to do their job well, and it's sad that a few can bring a black mark upon the job as a whole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-73444965044173146012011-01-18T13:06:08.453-08:002011-01-18T13:06:08.453-08:00JO should not be like college, they are kids for c...JO should not be like college, they are kids for crying out loud. Most of them are happy to not land on their head and to get a pretty ribbon. The vast majority are not doing it to go to the Olympics. <br /><br />I can honestly say I've never felt pressure from another judge to score a club a certain way. Now there are definitely coaches who are quick to complain about judges. I can't tell you how many coaches will come over and complain to other judges about the scoring on another event. Very professional of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-89416077839789119122011-01-18T12:47:50.250-08:002011-01-18T12:47:50.250-08:00I was told by a JO judge in my area that she has b...I was told by a JO judge in my area that she has been shunned because she wants " to judge what she sees, not what leotard they are wearing." This is HUGE reason why I have been hesitant about becoming a judge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-19225768478344676862011-01-18T12:35:15.550-08:002011-01-18T12:35:15.550-08:00The pressure put on the judges at NCAA is exactly ...The pressure put on the judges at NCAA is exactly why I refuse to judge college meets. When you give a reasonable score, maybe closer to a JO score, be prepared to hear the crowd boo and coaches show their temper. I think the regional bias is not as apparent due to the way assigning has changed. It's a step, albeit small, in the right direction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-37330077025477878002011-01-18T12:33:36.369-08:002011-01-18T12:33:36.369-08:00Interesting, thanks; would love to read more in th...Interesting, thanks; would love to read more in this vein.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-45364716965013440062011-01-18T11:32:41.880-08:002011-01-18T11:32:41.880-08:00Carole pretended not to be friends with her for ye...Carole pretended not to be friends with her for years. All of the coaches are friends with certain judges (if they are smart.)OlympicEffecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11708554152461551887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-34940010601673323132011-01-18T11:25:53.069-08:002011-01-18T11:25:53.069-08:00interesting AJ- I know from my own experience that...interesting AJ- I know from my own experience that college judges may not communicate with athletes in any way according to the rules. Anyone who does may not judge NCAA during that season, and then they may not judge that school for 5 years after. I know this because I coach at school while maintaining my judges' rating. Interesting how it's noticed by the fans! <br /><br />PS- go look at Suzanne's facebook page- her and Carol appear to be best friends. And that's not affiliation? It's sad when some judges work so hard to earn their ratings and judge fairly...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com