tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post9040758901449700833..comments2024-03-27T00:19:55.641-07:00Comments on Aunt Joyce's Ice Cream Stand: Remembering The Skating Boom: Surya BonalyOlympicEffecthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11708554152461551887noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-35222102796938835262019-03-01T14:25:31.160-08:002019-03-01T14:25:31.160-08:00Wowwww....I was a competitive skater for 12 years....Wowwww....I was a competitive skater for 12 years. I understand what the skating world looks like. I know judges look for someone to represent the sport. Her presentation wasn’t as good as others she competed against, but her technical skills were above most (if not all). She knew it. She was angry and sick of the system. So good for her!! The system is broken. nicolemarty22https://www.blogger.com/profile/06259460860909302796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-86325973591429313052016-05-13T07:23:51.993-07:002016-05-13T07:23:51.993-07:00Sorry if this offends, but I don't agree with ...Sorry if this offends, but I don't agree with putting Bonaly on a pedestal. I am all about destroying prejudice, racism, ageism, sexism in any form, but in this case, I don't see it. She was a five-time European gold medalist, three-time world silver medalist and World junior champion. I think she won a lot, and I remember her performances first-hand. She lacked the technique and gracefulness on the ice that other skaters possessed, like Michelle Kwan, Tara Lapinski (who was also a fabulous jumper), Chen Lu, Yuka Sato, Kattarina Witt, Oksana Baiul and Debi Thomas, who all competed against her. Prejudice was not a factor. Giving her her dues, she was a great jumper and could perform unique tricks, like the backflip that she landed on one foot. Judges in ice skating look for the well-rounded athlete and the athlete that best represents the event - not the one who has a unique trick but lacks in other very basic, but very important areas. Like many skaters, Bonaly was, at times, given placements that she didn't deserve, and from what I saw, got appropriate credit, and sometimes more than, for her backflip trick and jumping ability. The difference between her being considered a champion or not is that when others lost a medal placement that they probably felt they deserved, they took their losses with grace. For example: Michelle Kwan in her loss to Tara Lapinski at the 1998 Winter Olympics. I,and many, felt that Kwan was cheated as she had the complete package and brought it to the ice in her olympic free-skate. She didn't win, even though she did an incredible job. She also didn't throw a hissy fit over being awarded the silver. In an interview after the Olympics when a commentator asked her how she felt about losing the gold, she told him politely and with a smile, even though I'm sure her heart was breaking, that she didn't lose the gold, she won the silver. That's a champion in my book, and one that should be revered in the sport.Mell Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02991284432802531731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-79231951752238628312015-04-03T22:14:10.810-07:002015-04-03T22:14:10.810-07:00What a load of crockery this blog is. Miss Bonaly ...What a load of crockery this blog is. Miss Bonaly brought a much needed breath of fresh air to the uptight world of women's figure skating! She was a true Olympic athlete. Isn't athleticism what makes it a sport? I say 'kudos' to her for putting sport back into figure skating. Enough of the flowery shit that we all had to bare witness to. Boring to watch. Sometimes in life we all need a little Miss Bonaly to shake it up and make us challenge ourselves and grow. Watching figure skating before she arrived on the scene was like watching the same black and white movie over and over again every day....predictable and boring. End of rant ;) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-43623385538705181142014-08-03T15:37:11.765-07:002014-08-03T15:37:11.765-07:00anything different and unique is going to be cons...anything different and unique is going to be considered a "trainwreck". people only want you to do what everyone else is doing. And the fact that she's black doesn't make it any better. Multiple blatant racists have commented negative things about this AMAZING and UNDERRATED athlete but of course they will use any excuse to say that they're not racist. Also, if she was so bad, how could she have won as much titles as she did??? Whenever a black person starts gaining recognition for TALENT people will say ANYTHING to make that not so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-36855761424821778422014-02-11T18:27:42.886-08:002014-02-11T18:27:42.886-08:0090% of these comments are full of hidden racist bi...90% of these comments are full of hidden racist bigotry. If she was white no one would of said anything. Disgusting people could skate up and down an ice ring let alone perform half of the things she could do on the ice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-58322777475246374212014-01-13T10:14:08.603-08:002014-01-13T10:14:08.603-08:00I watched the videos you provided in this post, ye...I watched the videos you provided in this post, yet nowhere did I see what you said was always there: bare legs and a costume barely covering her ass. In these videos she is clearly wearing tights and yes her butt is covered. You also said that the commentators were afraid to say anything about her, yet I heard them both praise and criticize her. I have to wonder if you are living in some strange alternate reality of your own. I saw an athletic skater who bucked the trends in skating during her time, and who refused to submit to social authority. Good for her. Ms. Prishttp://00goddess.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-3111504423319149062012-03-26T19:37:28.440-07:002012-03-26T19:37:28.440-07:002 years after the last post and 19 years after Sur...2 years after the last post and 19 years after Surya was given the silver instead of the GOLD she deserved in '93. It always makes me laugh when people will devote an entire blog to meticulously dissecting Surya's skating skills. She was so far ahead of her time, that all that should be said is "WOW what am amazing skater!" She pushed the envelope in terms or music selection, footwork and jumping sequences, many of which you will see today in todays sport, i.e. almost everyone is attempting a three jump combination/sequence...who originated it, Ms. Bonaly with her triple toe/Salchow/toe, but it was rarely ever appreciated by the judges or commentators. Finally, to the author of this hate topic blog, until you skate a program in anyone's skates....don't judge!Yashahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12942613913242962374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-13841774854988256542010-11-07T18:21:42.867-08:002010-11-07T18:21:42.867-08:00Anonymous ("So much obvious racism in the wor...Anonymous ("So much obvious racism in the world, even today haters can't leave her alone!"), I applaud and thank you and others who spoke and stuck up for another great figure skater (say what you will about 'crazy' Tonya Harding, she still was one of the "best" around), who continues to be slandered by people who know NOTHING about her. <br />Off topic, I remember when Harding first came on the scene, and how Dick Button and a few other know-nothings, gave it to her with both barrels over and over again. It was absolutely "tragic" to no end to hear the awful things he said about Tonya (and NO I don't agree with what she was involved in with the bashing, but this will follow her for the rest of her life no matter how much she tries to clean it up.).<br />Lastly, sad to say, Surya was given some of the exact same 'tongue-lashing' from Dick Button as well, who should learn how to keep his stupid mouth shut at times. I miss seeing the both of these ladies and wish they'd lend at least a part of their skating talents to those in the poor communities who need them the most.<br />That's again Anonymous and to the poster who started this thread.Pretahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08446366373662723825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-87101607555036577512010-09-26T12:23:43.850-07:002010-09-26T12:23:43.850-07:00So much obvious racism in the world, even today ha...So much obvious racism in the world, even today haters can't leave her alone! Long live Surya and her fantastic and unique athletic abilities! They won her so much glory, respect, and medals from her professional peers and colleagues, despite the racism she had to endure by ignorant haters like you. At least skating is not an easy thing to do, however writing English should be pretty simple; yet your post is shameful by the simple fact that it is full of syntax and grammatical horrific mistakes. Before getting into "post-writing" GO LEARN HOW TO WRITE IN ENGLISH.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-15958784759509417952010-09-01T00:34:47.234-07:002010-09-01T00:34:47.234-07:00(mafke)
I'm awfully late and I don't know...(mafke)<br /><br />I'm awfully late and I don't know if you'll see this, but .... I'm pretty sure no one in the ISU had any idea how quickly and thoroughly the elimination of figures would transform ladies skating (and not for the better.<br /><br />Bonaly and Baiul were both poster girls for the importance of figures and proper technique. Unfortunately the ISU wasn't paying attention.<br /><br />Bonaly had a lot of rough spots, but at least she had some understanding of what turns and edges were. Had she been forced to continue figure training (instead of waiting them out and accepting low rankings for a couple of years) I'm sure here overall skating would have drastically improved.<br /><br />But, the skating establishment had officially thrown own standards of edging and control. I'm sure they paid lip service to 'proper' technique but did anyone believe them? I didn't.<br /><br />So why should skaters put in the effort if the ISU didn't want to? Bonaly took them at their word and rethought the purpose of the skate, treating them as running shoes and it wasn't very elegant, but why was it wrong? And she did some amazing things, a backflip onto a single inside edge into a triple salchow, how awesome is that?! She showed the ISU were hypocrites with their moving justifications for outlawing backflips, why should she think anything else they said was sincere.<br /><br />Baiul was basically a freak-savant whose natural abilities were so astounding that it never entered anyone's mind that she too could use some refinement or that there might be big areas that she didn't know anythng about. If Brian Boitano is to be believed she didn't even know what a bracket turn was until some time after winning olympic gold. I don't think she ever did rocker or counter turns in her programs either, the only one-foot turn she knew was the three. Again figures would have made it possible for her to do some real footwork instead of what she did.<br /><br />Finally, for me, Bonaly's ugly edgeless skating stands up over time a lot better than Baiul's. 1993 worlds is maybe the biggest misjudged event ever, no way did Baiul deserve first over Bonaly (you can make a case for Chen too). I don't think she should have won 1994, but I'm sure her reaction then was mostly shaped by the bad faith judging of 1993.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-78207809044472992732010-09-01T00:34:03.949-07:002010-09-01T00:34:03.949-07:00I'm awfully late and I don't know if you&#...I'm awfully late and I don't know if you'll see this, but .... I'm pretty sure no one in the ISU had any idea how quickly and thoroughly the elimination of figures would transform ladies skating (and not for the better.<br /><br />Bonaly and Baiul were both poster girls for the importance of figures and proper technique. Unfortunately the ISU wasn't paying attention.<br /><br />Bonaly had a lot of rough spots, but at least she had some understanding of what turns and edges were. Had she been forced to continue figure training (instead of waiting them out and accepting low rankings for a couple of years) I'm sure here overall skating would have drastically improved.<br /><br />But, the skating establishment had officially thrown own standards of edging and control. I'm sure they paid lip service to 'proper' technique but did anyone believe them? I didn't.<br /><br />So why should skaters put in the effort if the ISU didn't want to? Bonaly took them at their word and rethought the purpose of the skate, treating them as running shoes and it wasn't very elegant, but why was it wrong? And she did some amazing things, a backflip onto a single inside edge into a triple salchow, how awesome is that?! She showed the ISU were hypocrites with their moving justifications for outlawing backflips, why should she think anything else they said was sincere.<br /><br />Baiul was basically a freak-savant whose natural abilities were so astounding that it never entered anyone's mind that she too could use some refinement or that there might be big areas that she didn't know anythng about. If Brian Boitano is to be believed she didn't even know what a bracket turn was until some time after winning olympic gold. I don't think she ever did rocker or counter turns in her programs either, the only one-foot turn she knew was the three. Again figures would have made it possible for her to do some real footwork instead of what she did.<br /><br />Finally, for me, Bonaly's ugly edgeless skating stands up over time a lot better than Baiul's. 1993 worlds is maybe the biggest misjudged event ever, no way did Baiul deserve first over Bonaly (you can make a case for Chen too). I don't think she should have won 1994, but I'm sure her reaction then was mostly shaped by the bad faith judging of 1993.mafkenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-1472348570832949672010-08-22T22:07:36.259-07:002010-08-22T22:07:36.259-07:00Oh please. Karademir WISHES she were as good as Ma...Oh please. Karademir WISHES she were as good as Malinina. Tugba can't jump for shit. Tatiana's programs may have sucked, but she was an amazing jumper and spinner. Can't really say even that much about Tugba.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-87366388559675425122010-08-22T09:51:43.622-07:002010-08-22T09:51:43.622-07:00You know, there really is some truth to the old ad...You know, there really is some truth to the old adage of "laugh, and the whole world laughs with you." Should have been Bonaly's own little national anthem, or mantra (that would be more her style) - then and again, perhaps "rules were made to be broken" quintessentially fit the bill.. Always thought the mother should have been treated for Munchausen by Proxy disease. Oh well, didn't like Surya then, can't bear to look at old clips now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-50960625394042480422010-08-20T15:50:44.116-07:002010-08-20T15:50:44.116-07:00I always like Surya Bonaly, but then again, I alwa...I always like Surya Bonaly, but then again, I always like the outcasts and the underdogs. She was totally robbed in both 1993 and 1994. But that aside, for those who care, you can see her recent performances and an interview from lifeskate on youtube. She's looking good and keeping busy (lives in Vegas, tours in Europe now). There's an exhibition from a few years back where she played Josephine Baker and I can't help but think that IF she could have developed that concept with a good choreographer, how great it could have been. Maybe it would have blown Oksana's show tunes out of the water. The other clip worth checking out is from the Courchevel gala (Joubert was there too) from last year. Surya's skating and acting sexy around a quintessentially dirty French dude (just my type, hee hee). She still has her triple jumps and her back flip.Bunny Rabbitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-62780555305104166402010-08-19T15:01:25.620-07:002010-08-19T15:01:25.620-07:00As unrefined a skater as she was, I still loved wa...As unrefined a skater as she was, I still loved watching her. I guess that makes me crazy.Chiaroscurohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06788419217173519038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-61017341328721805722010-08-19T13:13:05.388-07:002010-08-19T13:13:05.388-07:00She was a sight that you couldn't look away fr...She was a sight that you couldn't look away from but I got use to it. Thank God these days you have to have some kind of beautiful style to your skating to make it after looking at clips of Surya. Off topic..Love Midori and her triple axel but I never really liked her skating either. She was a sweet girl so it's hard to say anything negative but thank God you have to have some kind of grace in your skating now...sorryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-17625157607103104832010-08-19T11:06:51.599-07:002010-08-19T11:06:51.599-07:00I said it would have been nice if she had won a br...I said it would have been nice if she had won a bronze olympic medal or something. Something to acknowledge her passion and raw talent. She clearly deserved to beat Yuka SatoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-6605979903365841822010-08-19T01:53:41.929-07:002010-08-19T01:53:41.929-07:00I LOVED this girl and rooted for her to no end! Sh...I LOVED this girl and rooted for her to no end! She is one of my all time favorite gymnasts!Rodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08701673336021869729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-40902612094765514612010-08-19T00:17:50.835-07:002010-08-19T00:17:50.835-07:00she wasn't the greatest skater, sure, but she ...she wasn't the greatest skater, sure, but she never failed to entertain me. Long live Surya and her illegal one-foot backflip!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-81213553542062939992010-08-18T23:50:45.164-07:002010-08-18T23:50:45.164-07:00Surya always seemed mad at the world, but she ende...Surya always seemed mad at the world, but she ended up having a pretty long and productive career. Somewhere underneath all the anger was a great love for skating. Good for herAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-76786862699391260022010-08-18T21:07:25.248-07:002010-08-18T21:07:25.248-07:00I live for Surya's 98 fuck you to the judges. ...I live for Surya's 98 fuck you to the judges. Best thing ever!UsOpenLineJudGenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-43042164402780190792010-08-18T21:03:50.570-07:002010-08-18T21:03:50.570-07:00Back flip in her 98 Olympic LP. Ourtageous. She ...Back flip in her 98 Olympic LP. Ourtageous. She stamped a great big FU to the judges. She is my favorite hot mess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-8068363131120482010-08-18T21:01:28.864-07:002010-08-18T21:01:28.864-07:00Calling her skating and style mediocre is being ex...Calling her skating and style mediocre is being extremely generous.OlympicEffecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11708554152461551887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-80087707871756116552010-08-18T20:52:20.734-07:002010-08-18T20:52:20.734-07:00What's really sad watching all these is that s...What's really sad watching all these is that she really could have been a GREAT skater, had she worked on her basics, her edges, her speed, the spins and refined the jump technique. She had the raw athletic ability. She actually had a certain flair in the "choreography" - she hit the accents and crescendos, a lot of the time, anyway. If she had actual stretch and line she could have produced some stunning moments. Sad she settled for mediocrity.Brianhttp://twitter.com/BSeditornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6387050766907671577.post-85048155302136368392010-08-18T20:45:19.439-07:002010-08-18T20:45:19.439-07:00I realize that she seemed to completely lack all t...I realize that she seemed to completely lack all taste back then, but she's a such a crazy mofo bad-ass, how can you not love her? You gotta love how she turned everything upside down and even DICK BUTTON was afraid of criticizing her. I'm all for crazy mofo female single skaters...even if their skating is atrocious. It's a nice change among all the ladiezzzz.Bessiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01369821573577573864noreply@blogger.com